Re: Difficulty with large posting board.

"Gary Charpentier" <gldncagrls@aol.com.mil> wrote in message
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> Apples and Oranges wrote:
>> "Gary Charpentier" <gldncagrls@aol.com.mil> wrote in message
>> news:ga0vf7$d7s$1@aioe.org...
>>> Apples and Oranges wrote:
>>>> I have great difficulty posting ads on craigslist.org.  At first there
>>>> are
>>>> flagging bullies that are right there to delete my ads.  And I mean
>>>> within
>>>> minutes, at any hour (3am), all week long.  I post again and tell them
>>>> that
>>>> if they just let the ads drop in the list, they would get less exposure
>>>> anyway.  I have no desire to post and post, I just want one little ad
>>>> to
>>>> show up on an occasional basis or so and drop in the list like everyone
>>>> else.  When my ads do get through, I get lots of positive responses.  I
>>>> get
>>>> angry emails by supposed craigslist users whom I suspect are associated
>>>> with
>>>> craigslist because after these "posting wars," my ads just vanish (no
>>>> notification).  I get an email saying that it was posted but when I
>>>> watch
>>>> for it, it never shows up.  I believe craigslist programmers have added
>>>> filters into their software to destroy posts.  My evidence is that
>>>> when I
>>>> post other ads for other mundane purposes, no problem.  When I use
>>>> another
>>>> machine and another rarely used account, no problem.  But my usual
>>>> accounts
>>>> and usual IP's cannot get an ad through on craigslist.
>>>>
>>>> Do other people have problems with this board?  I have received hate
>>>> mail
>>>> saying that craigslist has a right to do whatever they want.  OK - I
>>>> agree,
>>>> it's their website.  But if they are masquerading as fair service but
>>>> are
>>>> really picking and choosing???  I think some people would like to know
>>>> about
>>>> it.  I have begun to keep screenshots and all my emails to prove this
>>>> is
>>>> happening.
>>>>
>>>> Should I try to get a PI or some kind of lawyer to investigate this?  I
>>>> am
>>>> just asking because like I said, I do get good results when my posts do
>>>> get
>>>> through for a short time on a rare occasion.
>>>
>>> Mundane = legal
>>> not mundane = illegal?
>>>
>>> Is that the crux of your problem?
>>> T
>>
>> Are you someone who places such emphasis on the TOS that you bypass all
>> other forms law, practices of courtesy, and common sense?  There are
>> many who hold others to the TOS at such a level that only a very few
>> people, usually the competition, can meet those terms.  There is a
>> concept in real law that says the law is a living and bending process
>> open for interpretation.  Anyway, the posts are similar to other posts
>> on the board and are as legal or more legal than the other posts which
>> are not picked on.
>
> Just because person A's crime isn't prosecuted doesn't mean person B can
> commit
> the crime and not be punished.  You know that not everyone who runs a red
> light
> gets a ticket.

Not talking about crime here I don't think, but I guess that's part of my
question.

>
> As you are asking in a legal forum, the TOS is a contract.  As long as it
> does
> not violate some other law it is enforceable.  And enforceable means that
> at
> some point the government will chase you down to put you in a cage if you
> refuse
> to obey the orders of the court.

Fine, but if they let some people violate while not others.  Not a valid
contract.

>
> You mention common sense.  That does not apply to questions of law.

Usually it does, but you are correct, sometimes it doesn't.  What would you
do if you were in the middle of a desert and came across a red light.  You
wait 2 min, 5, 15 30 min.  You can see the horizon, no cars for miles.
Maybe the red light is stuck?  You die of starvation waiting for this red
light because it is illegal to run red lights.  Yes, I know a silly example,
but maybe that is why there are lawyers...because real life is complicated
enough that all the language that a lawyer uses can't encompass everything
possibly leaving some decisions for the rest of us who are not lawyers to
use common sense and hopefully not get thrown in jail for it.

>
> You say more legal.  Again, doesn't apply.  They are either legal or
> illegal.
> No in between.
>

But we are talking about enforced for some, but not others.

>
>> mundane = legal and somewhat useless, not clever in anyway, would not
>> sell on the open market, does not offend anyone, etc.
>>
>> not mundane = new ideas, might challenge the status quo, would probably
>> offend the established competition, might be worth something.
>
> Ah, offending the competition.  Sure the competition can report you all
> they
> want as long as they are truthful in reporting it.  So can a do good nut
> case.
> You have to live with it and stay legal.
>
> You will have to make your claims for whatever it is we are discussing so
> they
> do not violate the TOS or not sell things that the TOS says you can't.  Or
> you
> can find somewhere else to sell.
>
> Yes it is that simple.

Here is how simple it is...

  There are 3 kinds of people in the world...

  Group 1.  People who think criagslist can do no wrong and is great.
  Group 2.  People who do not think this.
  Group 3.  People who do not care.

I assume you are in group 1.  I am in group 2 wishing to talk to other
people in group 2.  Not group 1.  I wish I were in group 3.  I would post my
ad and forget about it and then go about my day shopping and being happy.  I
then might come home to some messages from customers who might wish to use
my services so I can make a living and afford to go shopping some more.

>
> But you knew that already, you wanted to know if there was some way to
> weasel
> out of it.  Sorry all holes closed.
>

Weasel!  That is a word I was looking for.  I am asking if craigslist is a
weasel.  I already know that it is legal to be a weasel.

> But in all cases of law, your case is specific.  Print out the TOS and
> your ad,
> look up a lawyer in the phone book, pay his fee and see what he has to say
> about
> your specific case.  He might tell you to change a comma to a period and
> everything will be different.  You do know they argue about the comma's in
> the
> Second Amendment to the US Constitution don't you?
>

Yes, I do know this.  And the First Amendment says I can bitch as
long as I don't yell fire in a crowded theater.  But the Constitution is a
long way from some website's TOS.  I am not really looking for a lawsuit
here.

All I want to do is post my ad.  At this point, I am just asking questions:
Who am I?  Why am I here?  Do other people have difficulty with this
website?