Re: Død af healing

"Rado" <rado@fjernpost1.tele.dk> skrev i meddelelsen 
news:7bth44tnsaes0tspje4b23adimmadvlrd4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:35:29 +0200, Michael Zedeler
> <michael@zedeler.dk> wrote:
>
>>Rado wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:06:04 +0200, "Poul Nielsen" <pn@gi.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article108683.ece
>>>>
>>>> 8-årig autistisk dreng død efter en uddrivelses-seance med 
>>>> healerpræst
>>>
>>> Og medicinsk behandling er den 3. største dødsårsag i USA, 
>>> ifølge
>>> Journal of the American Medical Association:
>>>
>>> ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
>>>
>>> 12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
>>> 7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
>>> 20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
>>> 80,000 -- infections in hospitals
>>> 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs
>>
>>Hehe. Den er meget god.
>
> Min pointe var primært at når en person der er under alternativ
> behandling lemlæstes eller dør på grund af behandlingen 
> (hvilket
> faktisk sker temmelig sjældent, og kun med tvivlsomme metoder), 
> så er
> det på forsiden af alle medierne, mens vi ikke hører ret meget 
> om de
> mange der dør eller lemlæstes af lægebehandling.
>
>>Skal vi ikke lige tage tallene een gang til, denne gang 
>>korrigeret for
>>hvor stor andel af befolkningen der bruger konventionel medicin 
>>hhv.
>>alternativ medicin? Husk også at sammenligne de samme sygdomme 
>>og tage
>>højde for folk der i et sygdomsforløb skifter imellem 
>>alternativ og
>>konventionel medicin, imens du er igang.
>
> Det får du ikke noget ud af alligevel med hensyn til at forstå 
> hvordan
> tingene i virkeligheden hænger sammen. Hvis vi virkelig skal 
> analysere
> hele det område og have factsene på bordet her så ender vi et 
> helt
> andet sted. Nemlig der at det i realiteten er ligegyldigt 
> hvilken
> behandlingsform du vælger, sålænge du tror tilstrækkeligt på
> behandlingen effektivitet.
>
> At jeg alligevel er fortaler for visse former for alternativ 
> medicin
> fremfor den etablerede skyldes flere ting:
>
> 1. de har ingen negative virkninger eller bivirkninger - i 
> værste fald
> virker de bare ikke (hvilket primært skyldes individuelle 
> psykologiske
> faktorer eller uvidenhed).
>
> 2. man skærer ikke i kroppen eller fjerner vigtige dele af den 
> eller
> fylder den med giftige kemikalier eller dødelige stråler. De 
> medfører
> intet ubehag fysisk eller psykisk.
>
> 3. de handler generelt om arbejde med naturen i stedet for mod 
> den, og
> stimulere kroppen til at helbrede sig selv, hvilket den sagtens 
> kan
> næsten uanset hvad den fejler (sundhed er kroppens normale 
> tilstand)
> hvis bare man anvender den rigtige strategi og patienten på det
> psykologiske plan "tillader" sig selv at blive rask, og tror på 
> det er
> muligt. De sidste to ting er faktisk det allerstørste problem i 
> den
> her form for behandling.
>
> 4. de er baseret på en virkelig og tilbundsgående forståelse at
> sammenhængen mellem krop og psyke hvilket netop er det der gør 
> dem så
> effektive, når man ellers forstår at udnytte dem rigtigt.
>
> På alle 4 punkter er de behandlingsformer jeg er fortaler for
> lægevidenskaben overlegne.
>
> Der er iøvrigt særdeles solid evidens for at en af de vigtigste
> faktorer i al helbredelse er troen på at den behandling man 
> modtager
> virker. Det gælder både konventionel og alternativ behandling. 
> Dette
> understreges af at de former for alternativ behandling der 
> udelukkende
> er baseret på tro eller psykologiske metoder som regel også er 
> de der
> medfører de mest radikale og varige helbredelser, primært fordi 
> man
> her har den indsigt der gør det muligt at udnytte kroppens
> selvhelbredende kræfter optimalt. Placeboeffekten er kun toppen 
> af
> isbjerget, en svag indikation af de muligheder der er på det 
> her
> område.
>
> Her er et eksempel:
>
> "Tumors That Melt Like Snowballs on a Hot Stove
>
> Understanding the role such factors play in a placebo's 
> effectiveness
> is important, for it shows how our ability to control the body
> holographic is molded by our beliefs. Our minds have the power 
> to get
> rid of warts, to clear our bronchial tubes, and to mimic the
> painkilling ability of morphine, but because we are unaware 
> that we
> possess the power, we must be fooled into using it. This might 
> almost
> be comic if it were not for the tragedies that often result 
> from our
> ignorance of our own power.
>
> No incident better illustrates this than a now famous case 
> reported by
> psychologist Bruno Klopfer. Klopfer was treating a man named 
> Wright
> who had advanced cancer of the lymph nodes. All standard 
> treatments
> had been exhausted, and Wright appeared to have little time 
> left. His
> neck, armpits, chest, abdomen, and groin were filled with 
> tumors the
> size of oranges, and his spleen and liver were so enlarged that 
> two
> quarts of milky fluid had to be drained out of his chest every 
> day.
>
> But Wright did not want to die. He had heard about an exciting 
> new
> drug called Krebiozen, and he begged his doctor to let him try 
> it. At
> first his doctor refused because the drug was only being tried 
> on
> people with a life expectancy of at least three months. But 
> Wright was
> so unrelenting in his entreaties, his doctor finally gave in. 
> He gave
> Wright an injection of Krebiozen on Friday, but in his heart of 
> hearts
> he did not expect Wright to last the weekend. Then the doctor 
> went
> home.
>
> To his surprise, on the following Monday he found Wright out of 
> bed
> and walking around. Klopfer reported that his tumors had 
> "melted like
> snowballs on a hot stove" and were half their original size. 
> This was
> a far more rapid decrease in size than even the strongest X-ray
> treatments could have accomplished. Ten days after Wright's 
> first
> Krebiozen treatment, he left the hospital and was, as far as 
> his
> doctors could tell, cancer free. When he had entered the 
> hospital he
> had needed an oxygen mask to breathe, but when he left he was 
> well
> enough to fly his own plane at 12,000 feet with no discomfort.
>
> Wright remained well for about two months, but then articles 
> began to
> appear asserting that Krebiozen actually had no effect on 
> cancer of
> the lymph nodes. Wright, who was rigidly logical and scientific 
> in his
> thinking, became very depressed, suffered a relapse, and was
> readmitted to the hospital. This time his physician decided to 
> try an
> experiment. He told Wright that Krebiozen was every bit as 
> effective
> as it had seemed, but that some of the initial supplies of the 
> drug
> had deteriorated during shipping. He explained, however, that 
> he had a
> new highly concentrated version of the drug and could treat 
> Wright
> with this. Of course the physician did not have a new version 
> of the
> drug and intended to inject Wright with plain water. To create 
> the
> proper atmosphere he even went through an elaborate procedure 
> before
> injecting Wright with the placebo.
>
> Again the results were dramatic. Tumor masses melted, chest 
> fluid
> vanished, and Wright was quickly back on his feet and feeling 
> great.
> He remained symptom-free for another two months, but then the 
> American
> Medical Association announced that a nationwide study of 
> Krebiozen had
> found the drug worthless in the treatment of cancer. This time
> Wright's faith was completely shattered. His cancer blossomed 
> anew and
> he died two days later.
>
> Wright's story is tragic, but it contains a powerful message: 
> When we
> are fortunate enough to bypass our disbelief and tap the 
> healing
> forces within us, we can cause tumors to melt away overnight.
>
> In the case of Krebiozen only one person was involved, but 
> there are
> similar cases involving many more people. Take a 
> chemotherapeutic
> agent called cis-platinum. When cis-platinum first became 
> available
> it, too, was touted as a wonder drug, and 75 percent of the 
> people who
> received it benefited from the treatment. But after the initial 
> wave
> of excitement and the use of cis-platinum became more routine, 
> its
> rate of effectiveness dropped to about 25 to 30 percent. 
> Apparently
> most of the benefit obtained from cis-platinum was due to the 
> placebo
> effect." (Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe)
>
> Mere her:
>
> http://5-dimension.org/members/talbot/HU-90-97.pdf
>
> Og et ud af mange eksempler på hvad målrettet alternativ 
> behandling af
> denne slags kan udrette:
>
> http://5-dimension.org/members/misc/VEV86-1-Brofman.pdf
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Rado
>
> The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance
> but the illusion of knowledge.




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